- It takes some time between the moment you realize you want to go or even take a UN Military Observer course and the moment of your actual deployment. In my case, it was around 18 months. This is considered rather quick and effective. I wouldn’t say that today the number of women is minimum or small, as there were three women among 11 members of the national personnel when I joined the mission in the Congo. It is a very high percentage and it has never happened before in the history of our national personnel in MONUSCO. I would say that more crucial is the question of women’s participation in national contingents. The previous rotation of the 18th separate helicopter detachment was the first time since Ukraine had participated in the mission in the Congo that a woman was part of the personnel.
- Was she in a military job?
- Yes, she was a signalist. She was the first female member of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to be appointed a member of the national personnel taking part in MONUSCO operations. Currently, there are two women on the mission, and they are both officers. I think it’s a perfect example of progress resulting from the gender policy currently being implemented by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Of course, two people out of 250 is absolutely not enough. This was always emphasized by representatives of other states participating in the mission. For example, inspections visiting us underline that such a small share of women participating in a national contingent is totally unacceptable. Ukraine is not the only country contributing its national personnel to MONUSCO. We also have peacekeepers from Uruguay and India. Their share of women is much higher.
Historically, looking at the progress made by the Armed Forces of Ukraine as an independent country and the Armed Forces of Canada or the U.S., the timeframe is absolutely different. Therefore, Ukraine has made incredible progress over the last seven years since the Russian aggression of 2014. The progress Ukraine has achieved so far wasn’t imposed by international organizations or partners but was driven by Ukrainian society from within. It was a real necessity to defend the country, regardless of who you are, a man or a woman. Everyone was struggling to defend our independence. Therefore, I think we achieved such great results because gender policy implementation started internally.
- Can you confirm or deny the argument that women themselves are not interested in peacekeeping missions, as they would have to leave behind their home and kids for a long period of time? What other excuses have been provided to you or your female colleagues as to why you cannot join a mission?
- I know examples of both women and men refusing to continue with the mission after completing UN Military Observer courses. The reasons can be different, e.g., they realized during the training that this is not what they expected earlier in terms of living conditions, meals, or assignments. It can also be due to family reasons. But it happens to both men and women. I am personally familiar with both.
Regarding the excuses that I cannot be a part of the national personnel due to my gender. First, I don’t have any kids, so maybe that’s why I have never heard anything like that. Instead, back in 2015, I used to hear that I cannot be sent to the Anti-Terrorist Operation zone. I was a recent graduate and I had just joined the brigade when I said that I would like to participate in the operation. So I was told things like, “Go get your parents’ consent before we can even consider your request.” It came not from the commander though, but from other brigade officers. Obviously, I never approached my parents for any such thing and they learned about my deployment to the ATO zone only upon my return.
Therefore, whenever I’m asked about the way to increase the percentage of female members in the national personnel and contingent, I say that first of all, it’s about sharing personal experience by those who participated in the mission. It has a huge positive impact on your willingness and readiness, changing your perception completely.
- As a lawyer, what do you think, are there any legislative provisions preventing women from building military careers on an equal footing with men?
- There are no such barriers to serving as a member of the national personnel since the requirements are equal for both men and women. Talking about service in the Armed Forces of Ukraine in general, there are certain restrictions applicable to some military posts. Most of them were repealed in 2016, but some posts are still closed to women. However, the rules only make sense when they apply to real-life situations. So, if we look at how it works in reality, the percentage of restricted posts is really small. For example, women are not allowed to serve on a submarine. How many submarines are there in the Ukrainian Armed Forces?
- So de jure it is a restriction but in fact, it has no real impact on women’s chances to be appointed. In the case of peacekeeping missions, lifting the restrictions for women did matter and I will explain why. Imagine a national contingent, e.g., the 18th separate helicopter detachment participating in MONUSCO. For a female service member to get on the national contingent, she must qualify for a relevant position in her national system. If you are a signalist, you can only join a national contingent as a signalist. If you are a lawyer, you can only go as a lawyer. If the position is restricted in Ukraine, e.g., a woman cannot be a navigator, then obviously she has no chance to join a national contingent in this specific capacity. It was the only legal restriction affecting women’s participation in national contingents.
- I can see you have no makeup, no manicure, no jewellery. Is it prohibited by the rules of the mission? Discussions are pending that there are certain dress code requirements for men, but for women, the rules are rather vague and informal. If we are talking about gender equality, it creates a feeling of injustice in the military unit. Should the rules be official, in your opinion?
- It is a very good question and it is taken seriously by female members of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I think it’s two-fold. First, what matters is how women themselves see it. In my opinion, a red manicure - and I personally like it very much - and a military uniform do not really fit together. Same thing for dramatic makeup. There are no formal rules or restrictions on makeup, manicures, and similar stuff for women in Ukraine, so far. But it is the case in the armed forces of some other states. I like the example of Israel as a country, with an impressive history of military engagement. It has a strong record of implementing a gender component and policy in its Armed Forces. They have all matters regulated to the very smallest detail. I was really impressed when I read about it. They even specify the colour of the nail polish that is allowed for both women and men. They do not use the word “women.” Instead, they write “person” or “military personnel “, which is absolutely gender-neutral terminology. As a result, the rules apply to everyone. If a man wishes to paint his nails, it’s OK.
There are no special dress code rules here in MONUSCO. This is because it’s a multi-national society comprising members of the armed forces of many countries. Each country has its own rules of conduct, including rules governing their dress code. That said, I have never met a woman in a uniform wearing a sparkling manicure here at the UN base. In other words, we wear no makeup or manicure when in the military uniform and at the base. However, it does take place if a country is hosting a National Day or there is a celebration. As they often say, the female element does not go anywhere, but there is the right place and the right time for it.
- Talking about empowering women in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, obviously we should look into leadership and visibility. How can these two elements be improved, in your opinion?
- Leading by example entails a larger responsibility. If you have a certain issue, you try to handle it on your own, relying on your friends and family; you share it with those you deem necessary and then you keep going. If you are a leader or a role model and you fail, you feel responsible not only for yourself but also for those who follow you. Before you accept a leadership role, you should think about how ready you are to go into this, thinking about other people while going through your own struggle. So it’s a matter of strong personality, female and male alike.
On promoting the visibility of women, I think it would be enough to share success stories. Imagine a woman is sitting at home or at work. She sees an interview with another woman and gets inspired by her example. So she can think to herself, “Look, I am good at this, this, and this; I’ve achieved this, and I am the best at that, so maybe I am not any worse and I should tell you about myself and maybe my case will inspire others.” I think this is the key to promoting visibility. The more examples like this we see, the more people are willing to share their own experience to inspire others.
There are around 32,000 servicewomen in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It is one of the highest ratios between male and female military members in the world. But we have only one female general, one woman who can become a service member of the Special Operations Forces, and two female peacekeepers serving in the military contingent.
By signing the UN Security Council Resolution “Women, Peace and Security”, Ukraine has committed to increasing the role of women in the peace process and intensifying their engagement in peacekeeping operations. Numerous UN studies demonstrate that the more women are engaged in a mission’s decision-making, the more effective the mission is in ensuring sustainable peace.